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‘That’s scary’: New gun trend has Marion County law enforcement asking for help from Indiana lawmakers
Two years ago, law enforcement grew concerned when they encountered a new trend in Indianapolis. They were discovering guns capable of automatic fire, similar to an illegal machine gun.
The guns were contributing to Indianapolis’ worsening levels of violence. Some of the weapons were being used in shootings where cars and homes were sprayed with bullets; some were also used in homicides. Crime scenes were being littered with at least 50 shell casings.
So when Indianapolis Metropolitan Police officers found people carrying the guns during traffic stops and home searches, Marion County prosecutors were determined to find a way to stop the weapons from returning to the streets.
Back then, Marion County Prosecutor Ryan Mears’ office turned to a little-used state law to begin charging people with felonies. They filed charges for possession of a machine gun.
There’s just one problem, though. The firearms in question? They aren’t technically machine guns.
Instead, they’re often semi-automatic rifles and handguns that have been modified using devices available on the internet. Some can be created in a few minutes using a 3D printer.
But in Indiana, where personal gun ownership roars as loudly as a full field at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, state lawmakers rarely show an appetite for clamping down on firearms using the state’s criminal code. Last legislative session, for example, lawmakers changed the law to no longer require all Hoosiers to obtain permits to carry their handguns in public — which, while it benefited legal gun-owners, also stripped law enforcement of a method to help stem the flow of illegally used guns.
Without that law, and without many allies in the Republican-controlled Statehouse, the Democratic prosecutor Mears said he needed to be creative to address the emerging threat of modified weapons. That’s what spurred them to unearth the statute that banned the use of machine guns in Indiana.
“Admittedly this is an aggressive interpretation of the statute,” Mears told State Affairs Indiana in an interview this month. “Especially with the repeal of the handgun without a license statute, there's oftentimes if we didn't file the machine gun (charge), there'd be nothing that we could file now.”
That strategy could be endangered, however. While Marion County prosecutors have successfully used the statute to land nine convictions so far, none of those cases were decided by juries. Every defendant simply pleaded guilty to the charges. And a charge in one other case is now under consideration by the Indiana Court of Appeals, which could halt the prosecutor’s use of the statute.
Auto sears and Glock switches
Firearms can be modified to mimic automatic fire by using a few different devices, none of which are endorsed by gun manufacturers. One of the most common for some handguns — often called a Glock switch — is not created by the company behind Glock handguns, for example.
Still, the weapons are easily converted. And they are powerful: By one officer’s account, a single pull of the trigger could empty a 30-round magazine in less than three seconds.
“Now imagine that the gun is shooting out these 40-caliber rounds in less than three seconds with all that recoil,” said Chris Bailey, who serves as assistant police chief in Indianapolis, “and how much control that person actually has over that handgun.”
The so-called Glock switches have been in use on the American coasts for a few years, Bailey said, but have only arrived in Indiana in the last couple of years. They are especially popular among teenagers and young adults, maybe because it requires a bit of tech savvy to create and install the devices.
Another modification for semi-automatic rifles has been around for years but is finding new prevalence on the streets, according to law enforcement. It’s referred to broadly as an auto sear, which can transform AR-15s to replicate automatic fire.
“That lethal round will cut through metal and right through ballistic protection on police officers with no problem,” Bailey said. “That’s scary stuff, especially if you see these videos.”
Indiana law on machine gun conversion devices
Federal law prohibits both Glock switches and auto sears under the National Firearms Act. If someone in Indiana were caught carrying a converted weapon, they could face charges in federal court. Federal authorities, though, tend to remain selective on which cases they’ll pursue, leaving the vast majority to local prosecutors and courts.
Indiana’s law, meanwhile, isn’t as clear. One part of the law bars the sale of conversion devices; the part defining possession of a machine gun as a crime, though, does not include specific language about the devices.
The lack of clarity has prompted one defense attorney to fight Mears in court. In filings on behalf of a client, the attorney emphasized the discrepancy in Indiana law.
“The plain language of the machine gun statute does not include a handgun that has been modified with a firearm accessory. If the Legislature intended for the definition of a machine gun to include handguns equipped with ‘switches,’ they would have explicitly included such language as they have done in other statutes,” wrote Omar Ghani, the Indianapolis-based attorney.
Ghani did not return a State Affairs Indiana voicemail.
In court, Mears' office is essentially arguing that any weapon that can fire multiple shots with a single pull of a trigger is a machine gun.
A local judge in Marion Superior Court sided with the prosecutor’s office. Ghani, though, appealed that decision. Now the outcome is in the hands of the Indiana Court of Appeals.
If the appeals court decides that handguns modified with Glock switches are not machine guns, then several cases could be affected. More than 50 cases are pending, according to the prosecutor’s office.
Bipartisan interest in Central Indiana
In the meantime, Indianapolis law enforcement is asking for help from the Legislature to specifically define the conversion devices as illegal.
It’s not yet known how receptive both chambers will be, as most gun restrictions tend to die without a hearing in Indiana. It’s also unclear whether Republican legislators may be dissuaded by past political battles with Mears, who has defied legislative threats by refusing to prosecute people caught with small amounts of marijuana and pledging to never prosecute women or doctors over abortions. (Lawmakers have previously introduced bills that would empower the Indiana attorney general to step in, but the bills have not passed.)
But Bailey, the assistant police chief, believes there is bipartisan interest among Central Indiana lawmakers to address his concerns about conversion devices.
“Hey, this is Indiana. And people don't like messing with gun laws,” Bailey said, "but I'm not saying restrict guns, I'm saying restrict this piece that makes it a machine gun, which you've already said is illegal."
One key ally is Sen. Aaron Freeman, R-Indianapolis, who chairs the Senate Corrections and Criminal Law Committee. Bailey said he shared potential language drafted by the Marion County Prosecutor’s Office that mirrors federal code.
Freeman told State Affairs Indiana that he’s examining the issue.
“I’ve seen some of the videos of these things: A law enforcement officer is dealing with a Glock handgun, which is one thing, and then you know somebody’s dealing with a machine gun all of a sudden, well that’s obviously a big, big problem,” Freeman said. “If there’s a way the state can help, and a way that we can help protect citizens and officers from machine guns, then obviously we should be doing that.”
Bailey worries what might happen if lawmakers don’t intervene this legislative session. He said they could theoretically wait until after the appeals court issues a ruling, but that would be risky.
If the court rules against the prosecutor’s office, then Bailey said modified firearms would be considered legal in Indiana at least until the next legislative session, and most laws don’t take effect until the following July.
“We just need to add something so that the courts are clear,” Bailey said, “and we don't lose the ability to charge people as we move forward and hold them accountable.”
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Brad Chambers sells himself as ‘business guy’ to lead Indiana
EDITOR’S NOTE: This is one in a series of profiles of the candidates running for Indiana governor.
Brad Chambers argues big ideas and actions are needed in the coming years to propel Indiana and its economy forward.
Chambers has already put $9.6 million of his own money toward that argument as he tries to transform himself from a successful real estate developer who was virtually unknown by the general public into the Republican nominee for governor.
The first steps for his entry into the governor’s race came during his time as Gov. Eric Holcomb’s state commerce secretary and leading the Indiana Economic Development Corp. — the agency tasked with attracting business growth to the state.
A big idea from Chambers’ time with the IEDC was the LEAP Lebanon Innovation District, a planned 9,000-acre hub for tech-related industries that has been a target of criticism from the other five Republican candidates in the May primary.
Chambers remains steadfast in defending the project as a needed asset to compete with other states for major projects and asserts Indiana needs more of that kind of leadership.
“What I bring to this race is I’m not making decisions — and LEAP is proof — I’m not making decisions on three-year election cycles because I’m not an elected official,” Chambers said during an interview with State Affairs. “I’m making decisions like a business guy — which is, ‘What’s good for Indiana?’ — no matter if I’m around to see it come to fruition or not.”
Path to business success
Chambers, 59, grew up in Indianapolis as a son of prominent businessman William Chambers, who participated in numerous civic organizations and was the finance chairman for Republican Dan Burton’s 1982 election to the first of his 15 U.S. House terms, according to the elder Chambers’ 1997 Indianapolis Star obituary.
Brad Chambers traces his business career back to a lawn mowing service he started with some friends while a Lawrence Central High School student.
He said he was using his share of the profits to pay his Indiana University tuition before one of the friends bought him out a few years later for $5,000. It became the seed money to purchase a repossessed house in Indianapolis as a rental property.
“I like to say it was divine intervention that I didn’t blow it,” Chambers said of the lawn service buyout.
That first property sparked his interest in the real estate business.
“I’m like, this is kind of fun, and so I ended up rooting around and by the time I graduated from IU, I had 31 rental units,” he said.
Those rentals were the start of Buckingham Companies, the development business Chambers founded. It now claims a portfolio of $3 billion in a variety of apartment, retail, hotel and business projects with more than 400 employees in nine states.
Buckingham’s prominent Indianapolis work includes the CityWay development, which has apartments, retail sites and the upscale Alexander hotel near Gainbridge Fieldhouse.
Chambers said he stepped away from day-to-day company leadership when Holcomb selected him in 2021 as state commerce secretary, a post he held for $1 a year before resigning last August to launch his gubernatorial campaign.
The breadth of Chambers’ business is represented in his candidate financial disclosure statement, which lists ownership of 63 properties in nine states and stakes in 279 real estate or other partnerships. He said he would keep his business interests separate from state actions if he became governor.
“Indiana is obviously important, but we’re a national company, we’re doing business all over the country,” Chambers said. “We understand the rules of the road there and our guys are running the business and they’re doing a great job.”
Road to the governor’s race
Holcomb recruited Chambers to the state commerce secretary job in 2021 after the position had been vacant for about four months.
Chambers said that about a year later, others began raising the idea of him running for governor in 2024 since Holcomb couldn’t seek reelection because of term limits.
“I never really gave it too much thought until [2023,] probably second quarter of ’23, and then started thinking about it in earnest,” Chambers said. “I’m not a politician. I’ve never run for [anything]. I didn’t know anything about it. So I had to understand it and then started doing what business guys do, which is evaluate, and it was a tough decision.”
Republican Fishers Mayor Scott Fadness said he got to know Chambers after he started leading the state’s economic development agency.
Fadness, who has been mayor of the Indianapolis suburb since 2015, said he quickly became impressed with Chambers’ willingness to talk in depth about big ideas.
Those conversations grew to include discussions about whether Chambers should run for governor, although Fadness said he largely explained the hurdles Chambers would face with his campaign.
“He could be living a very good life, doing a variety of other things,” Fadness told State Affairs. “I think he just felt compelled to run because he wants to move Indiana forward. That kind of leadership and that kind of motivation is a rarity in politics anymore, and I guess that’s what kind of made me gravitate towards him.”
Many prominent Indiana business leaders have joined in supporting the Chambers campaign. Among those making sizable contributions are Eli Lilly and Co. CEO David Ricks ($100,000), Kittle Property Group CEO Jeffrey Kittle ($100,000), Indiana Pacers owner Herbert Simon ($50,000) and retired Lilly CEO and IEDC board member John Lechleiter ($50,000).
Chambers has been willing to sink own money — $9.6 million as of mid-April — into the campaign for his message that he’s “a business guy” focused on growing the state’s economy.
“That story resonates, but it’s six and a half million people to communicate with,” Chambers said of Indiana’s voting-age population. “It takes time and it takes resources.”
Critic calls LEAP District planning ‘underhanded’
Indianapolis-based Lilly was the first company making a major commitment to the LEAP District, with a $3.7 billion research and manufacturing campus now under construction.
Chambers points to the district as a major step toward making Indiana competitive with other states for major projects. He argues that Indiana lost out on perhaps landing a $20 billion Intel microchip plant to the Columbus, Ohio, area because it didn’t have a ready-to-build site available.
Chambers’ critics argue the LEAP District is an example of “top-down leadership” at the Indiana Economic Development Corp. that disregards the concerns of local residents and officials.
Project opponent Brian Daggy, a retired Boone County farmer, said Chambers hasn’t tried to engage with those whose homes would be affected by the LEAP District transforming what is now largely farmland into manufacturing and research facilities.
Daggy and his wife bought a house in the northern part of the district as their retirement spot a few months before finding out in late 2021 about the IEDC buying up land for the project. Daggy has turned down purchase offers and helped organize the Boone County Preservation Group, of which he’s now president.
Daggy said he understands wanting to see government operate more efficiently and business-like but that the IEDC under Chambers showed a disregard for the residents’ concerns.
“He has given all indication that he knows what’s best, and that’s what he’s gonna carry forward,” Daggy said. “It causes me concern, a lot of pause, thinking about that he would run the state in that kind of a manner.”
A proposed 35-mile pipeline to transport water from a Wabash River aquifer near Lafayette to the LEAP District has drawn opposition from the Tippecanoe County area over concerns such as a loss of irrigation for farmers and worries about environmental damage from pumping out potentially tens of millions of gallons of water a day.
Residents in the Lafayette area didn’t know the pumping tests were being carried out for the proposed pipeline last year until they suddenly didn’t have water from their wells or noticed sulfur odors from their water they had never smelled before, said Sandra Alvillar, president of the group Stop the Water Steal.
Chambers, Holcomb and Republican legislative leaders have said no work on building the pipeline will go ahead unless an ongoing aquifer study shows adequate supply.
Alvillar, however, called the IEDC’s planning for the pipeline “underhanded” and said Chambers and the agency have been focused on a public relations response rather than listening to local concerns.
“If they have not been transparent up to this point, once they’re safe in their little office, it’s not going to get better,” Alvillar said.
Chambers has kept his focus on the economy
Chambers has focused his bid for governor on economic issues and running a decidedly non-Trump-like campaign. He has largely avoided hot-button culture issues, pointing in his TV ads and public remarks to former Gov. Mitch Daniels, who had a similar emphasis while in office, as a leader he would emulate.
Chambers has touted his “Play to Win” plan as aiming to boost business growth in the state through steps such as more infrastructure investment and increased support for small businesses and entrepreneurs.
“The one thing that I know touches every Hoosier, not some Hooiers, is financial security and opportunity,” Chambers said. “Fundamental to quality of life is good education and public safety, and you can’t fix those or invest in those without a growing economy. I believe when people have financial security, their health is better, their kids are better, their housing is better and overall quality of life is better. So I’m just focused on the one topic where I have had some experience.”
Chambers remains an underdog in the governor’s race, as a State Affairs/Howey Politics Indiana poll in early April found U.S. Sen. Mike Braun with support from 44% of likely Republican primary voters.
Chambers, Lt. Gov. Suzanne Crouch and Eric Doden each received about 10% support — and roughly 6 in 10 respondents were unfamiliar with Chambers despite the millions of dollars he’s spent statewide on TV ads.
Fadness, the Fishers mayor, said he believed Chambers would bring a needed sense of urgency and decisiveness to the governor’s office and hoped Chambers’ focus on the state’s economy would still catch on with voters.
“Those may not be the talking points that garner the most attention from people or get the headlines, but those are the things that are going to decide the trajectory of our state for many years to come,” Fadness said. “I think they’re vitally important. But I also am, I guess, a realist in that I understand that those aren’t always what folks spend their time and attention on in a political race.”
about Chambers
- Age: 59
- Hometown: Indianapolis
- Education: Bachelor’s degree in finance from Indiana University
- Family: Married to Carol with an adult son, Nick
- Job: CEO of real estate development firm Buckingham Companies since founding it as a college student in 1984
- Work history: Indiana secretary of commerce under Gov. Eric Holcomb, 2021-23; previously chairman of the Indiana State Fair Commission
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Final Republican governor debate focuses on economics, abortion
INDIANAPOLIS — Five hopefuls vying for the chance to be Indiana’s next governor took each other to task — and at times fought the questions themselves — on economic development, social issues, election integrity and more during Tuesday’s Republican gubernatorial debate hosted at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis.
The debate, the last of the primary cycle and sponsored by the Indiana Debate Commission, at times spiraled into revolt, as candidates disagreed with moderator Jon Schwantes’ yes-no questions on election integrity and immigration. In other moments, the candidates stuck to their various platforms on taxes, education and beyond.
Former state Secretary of Commerce Brad Chambers, Lt. Gov. Suzanne Crouch, Fort Wayne businessman Eric Doden, former state Attorney General Curtis Hill and Indianapolis mom Jamie Reitenour participated.
Sen. Mike Braun, who has thus far led the crowded field in the polls, informed the Debate Commission on Monday that he would not attend the debate. He returned to Washington, D.C., where he cast one of 19 dissenting votes against a $95 billion aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. The bill passed the Senate on a 80-19 vote.
Braun’s rivals targeted him several times in his absence, but the five candidates on stage mostly focused on one another throughout the debate. Gov. Eric Holcomb, a frequent target in previous debates, was hardly mentioned.
Schwantes, host of the WFYI-FM series “Indiana Lawmakers,” read from a slate of questions submitted in part by state voters and selected by the Debate Commission.
Election integrity
The night’s first major clash occurred during yes-no questioning on the safety and authenticity of the country’s elections.
Each candidate except Reitenour said they were confident in Indiana’s election integrity. All acknowledged the 2020 election was not stolen.
Asked if Joe Biden was the duly elected president, Hill and Reitenour pushed back, saying “anomalies” were not properly investigated.
The candidates essentially refused to answer a question asking if they would accept the 2024 election results, saying it was too hypothetical.
Agreement on abortion
Several questions were asked about abortion, though the candidates largely agreed on the issue.
The group was asked whether the state’s current abortion ban, which includes exceptions for rape, maternal health and other limited circumstances, was sufficient.
Chambers, Doden and Crouch agreed it was.
Hill called for increased enforcement of the ban, saying the state’s health department is not providing the necessary reports for terminated pregnancies.
“I brought 2,411 unborn babies from Illinois to have them buried in Indiana to establish their humanity,” Hill said, referencing a 2020 action he took as attorney general.
Reitenour did not answer the question directly, saying only that “we need to be a state that says we are for life.”
The group refused to answer when Schwantes asked if they agreed with the Indiana Supreme Court, which he said found the maternal health exception to be necessary under state law.
The candidates also agreed on in vitro fertilization, saying it should be allowed in Indiana. Some conservative states have targeted the procedure as part of the abortion debate.
Return to the IEDC
The Indiana Economic Development Corp. (IEDC), and particularly its LEAP Innovation District project seeking to build a ready-made space for business in Lebanon, Indiana, was a return topic from past debates. Chambers and Doden previously led the organization, and Chambers rose in defense of the LEAP District.
Reitenour called the project “putting a whale of a company in the middle of the desert with no water.”
Doden also directly criticized it, saying the IEDC existed only to help businesses navigate government rules.
Hill called the IEDC “a shadow government” that needed to be “reined in.”
Crouch used the question to launch into her plan to get rid of the state’s income tax.
“It’s a terrific contrast between career politicians and small thinking,” Chambers said in response to the criticisms.
Chambers goes after Crouch
Crouch was asked whether it made financial sense to cut the income tax, which brings in billions in state revenue each year.
Chambers seized on the topic.
“It’s a political talking point if ever there was one,” he said. “She has not told us how much she’s going to have to cut education, public safety, police, mental health or health care.”
Crouch doubled down, noting the income tax is already phasing down to below 3% in the coming years.
“Let’s just keep going in that direction when we have excess surplus in revenues,” she said.
Differing education approaches
A question about improving Indiana schoolchildren’s test scores led to a contrast in policy approach.
Doden and Crouch focused on school choice and workplace development.
Chambers said students require individualized learning opportunities.
Reitenour railed against critical race theory and social-emotional learning, saying kindergarten through fifth grade students need more focus on educational fundamentals.
Hill urged schools to stop taking federal money that requires certain programs, which Crouch joined in supporting.
Closing statements
Candidates were allowed to summarize their candidacy in final closing statements.
Chambers focused on his economic plan, likening his hopes for the state to his career as a businessman.
“We believe it’s time for a CEO, someone to run [the state] like a business,” Chambers said.
Hill leaned into social issues, railing against abortion and claiming “there are only two genders.”
“Don’t let politicians give you a laundry list of conservative talking points and say that’s enough,” Hill said. “Prove you can do the job.”
Doden focused on his platform talking points: restoring small towns, growing the economy and expanding zero-cost adoption.
“We have more plans in writing than everyone on this stage combined,” Doden said.
Crouch returned to her key proposal, which would eliminate the state’s income tax.
“My opponents say it’s a gimmick, but what they’re really saying is the government needs more of your money and you need less of it,” Crouch said.
Reitenour said God called her to run and cast doubt on Indiana’s conservative reputation.
“We live in a state that says it’s a red state and believes in conservative values, and yet I am trying to figure out where the conservatives are in government,” she said.
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Republican rivals knock Mike Braun for missing final governor debate
U.S. Sen. Mike Braun faced criticism from other Republican candidates for governor over missing their final televised debate because of scheduled Senate votes Tuesday on providing military assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.
Tuesday evening’s 90-minute debate will go on as scheduled with the remaining five Republican candidates still expected to participate, according to the Indiana Debate Commission, the nonprofit group organizing the matchup.
“Braun’s campaign team notified the commission late Monday that he must be in Washington, D.C., for a vote,” the commission said in a statement.
A Senate vote on the military aid package wasn’t expected until at least Tuesday night.
Braun issued a statement casting blame on Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer for scheduling the vote three days after the Republican-led House approved the bill.
“I was looking forward to sharing my vision with Hoosiers at tonight’s debate but Chuck Schumer has called the Senate into session,” Braun’s statement said. “Tonight, I am in D.C. voting ‘no’ on a bill to send $95 billion of your money overseas instead of securing our open southern border, which puts Hoosier families in danger every day. I’m proud to stand up for you and vote against the Biden spending spree making life unaffordable for so many Hoosiers.”
The Brad Chambers campaign contrasted Braun’s potentially skipping the debate to vote on the military aid package to his missing last month’s Senate vote on a $1.2 trillion spending package avoiding a government shutdown several hours after attending an Indiana campaign fundraising event.
“Career politician U.S. Senator Mike Braun continues to insult Hoosiers and put himself first,” Marty Obst, senior strategist for Chambers, said in a statement. “He’ll skip votes in D.C. to collect checks at a campaign fundraiser but then use votes to skip a debate and hide from voters and his record.”
Braun’s campaign said he returned to his home in Jasper following a Friday-evening fundraising event and planned a return to Washington the next day for the Senate vote. But his campaign said the vote was unexpectedly held at nearly 2 a.m. that Saturday — and that Braun would have voted against the government funding bill that passed 74-24.
Tuesday’s debate is scheduled for 7-8:30 p.m. before an audience at Hine Hall Auditorium on the Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis campus. It will be televised by several PBS stations across the state and streamed on the commission’s website, indianadebatecommission.com.
Braun had support from 44% of likely Republican primary voters in a State Affairs/Howey Politics Indiana poll conducted in early April. Lt. Gov. Suzanne Crouch, Eric Doden and Chambers each received about 10% support.
Crouch campaign manager Liz Dessauer said in a statement that “Braun skipped a key budget vote to attend a campaign fundraiser, but now suddenly realizes he needs to do his job in order to skip the last debate?”
Long-shot candidate Jamie Reitenour, who is among those taking part in Tuesday’s debate, also knocked Braun for missing the debate for a Senate vote while not missing last month’s government funding vote.
“He’s trusting that his $7M campaign spending will trump his disrespect for the voter!” Reitenour posted on X.
Update: This story was updated to include a statement from Braun explaining his absence from the debate.
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